un-sketch sil waiben Sil used to work with Waiben on a project that involved trying to create "higher dimensional plains using vocalizations during Ayahusca sessions (nod to T mckenna there). Waiben became more interested in the physicality of the spaces encountered, i.e. he wanted to follow the physical outside the context of the mind and Sil wanted to keep exploring the mind and leave the physical behind (comparison to a digital self as opposed to the analog body, the old conception of self as a container of meat. Waiben becomes a T. Leary type evangelist and does in fact find the echos of lower dimensions, the hologram theory and higgs particle while Sil drops out entirely and becomes a bit more like a John Lilly-type of personal space explorer.