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diff --git a/old/published/newipods.txt b/old/published/newipods.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..5bcf953 --- /dev/null +++ b/old/published/newipods.txt @@ -0,0 +1,186 @@ + + +But there is some division in the developer community about which development platform is the best route -- the official Apple sanctioned option of web-based apps or the unofficial, but so far stable hacks that enable third party apps to run directly on the device. + + +Joe Hewitt, + + + +Joe Hewitt (iUI) + +Hi Scott, + +I just got back from Moscone, as Apple was nice enough to invite me to see my Facebook site used in the iPod demo. As a developer, I'm just over the moon about the price drop and the iPod web browser. Obviously that means a huge number of new users for mobile touch screen apps, like the Facebook iPhone site (which is now in need of a new name). I think this move really justifies the investment many of us have made in developing for this new web form factor. + +I remain fairly indiffeerent about Apple opening up the iPhone/iPod to OS X development. The web is where it's at, as far as I'm concerned, and I am much more interested in seeing Apple expose new web-based APIs that allow us to exploit the touch screen, camera, accelerometer, and local storage. This would cause a much more significant revolution, in my opinion, than allowing developers to install native apps written in Objective C or whatever. + +- Joe + +----------------------------------- + + +Scott - first off, I love wired magazine and am a bit awestruck right +now, but I'll try and save the adoration for later. It has been +something of a fantasy to make it into the magazine, and so by all +means in the future feel free to contact me. + +As for thoughts, the second I saw on the apple-news sites this morning +that Apple was releasing an iPhone without the phone I got into our +code and started making the EDGE components optional for the build. +The hacking community as a whole is thrilled at this development - and +we're all getting ready to buy one the second it comes out in order to +get our app working for it. + +The real question thought is whether or not Apple will ever open the +iPhone platform - and as a developer, I would love to see that happen, +but I don't think it will. Looking at the internals of the iPhone +it's pretty clear that Apple never intended for the "hackers" to break +in and poke around as they have. We've discovered the lack of GDB +support in the debugger, found "todo's" occasionally, etc etc. What +we've really done is something remarkable - Nightwatch and crew over +at http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page have created a +working SDK for a platform that wasn't intended to have one - and +we've taken that and we've run with it. + +This much larger platform excites the hell out of us - we're looking +at a PDA that's missing critical PDA functionality. For example - who +builds a mobile platform without Instant Messaging support? Well, +Apple did, and looking immediately at the screenshots available with +the iPod touch, it looks like it's running the very same OS. Of +corse, we'll have to see how long it will take the dev teams to break +it open, but the code for Apollo and things like Installer.app will +without a doubt have versions out that same day ready for it. + +Personally, I think iPhone optimized sites are a complete waste of +time. Safari is a great browser, but by in large, Web 2.0 doesn't yet +provide the same functionality as a real program written in a real +programming language. Nobody wants to use Beejive, but they're forced +to - and we're happy to be working on support for libPurple in +ApolloIM so that we can have the exact same versatility as programs +like Adium and iChat. The thing with the iPhone-sites that makes them +so useless is the very existance of this amazing OS they've built and +the devotion of hackers like ourselves and others to the Unix +landscape. They're dumbing down functionality, and well, we're not +going to stand for it. + +My theory is that the current methods for Jailbreak will work on the +iPod touch. The bugs exploitable in the iPhone are done so at the +"Recovery Mode" level - so if Apple is going to release an iPod with +that recovery mode, we're going to get in. I'd wager the same day +it's released it'll be hacked and ready for us to get inside. While +Steve Jobs didn't say anything about it using the iPhone's same OS - +the functionality looks exactly like that of the iPhone and it +personally wouldn't make any sense to build a new "iTunes Wifi Store" +for two platforms when they can have one single version working on +their entire mobile platform. + +The development of Apollo shifts drastically - with our latest release +we got Edge keep alive support working great (so you can basically go +around all day with an IM app on using your iPhone's wireless +internet), but now we're looking into better ways to keep Wifi alive +when the phone enters sleep. It doesn't change much beyond that point +- we're gunning for Gtalk, Jabber, MSN, yahoo, et al. and with that +kind of support yields such bigger options. Behind the scenes we've +been eagerly playing with Celestial (the iPhone media framework) and +see just how feasible sending voice from it over the internet is - and +the phone is more than powerful to do so. + +In the near future, the iPhone is going to have VOIP clients, and that +will be it's next big revolution. Until then, we're working on the +little things. One of the big drawbacks of an undocumented API on a +closed platform is the fact we're winging it - but that's half the fun +of getting into a new platform anyhow. + +The iPhone represents this new Apple that's a little more cautious +than it's predecessors - the Newton in particular. We're looking at +the dawn of a cheap mobile appliance ($300-$400) that breaks the +borders of what people think is possible to do with data - and +everyone knows it. Google's jumping on that bandwagon, and the same +community breaking into this new iPod and iPhone will be there as +well- legally or illegally- as the circumstances dictate. The impact +these devices make isn't like that of previous endeavors into breaking +into the earlier iPods or writing neat little toys for your new Razr, +it's that of improving the quality and expediency of your life. Look +at MobileMoney (mobilemoney.googlecode.com) - this is more or less a +Quicken in the palm of your hand. + +We're improving the quality of life and expanding our ability to keep +information at our fingertips, and well, I've never been more excited +to write code in my life. If I could only get hired to do this kind +of stuff - well - then I'm afraid I'd never look back. + +Scott, if there's any more questions about the iPhone hacking +community or anything about our application at all, my number is +720-346-4431, and don't hesitate to call. It's a real honor. + +--Alex C. Schaefer + +----------------- + +PodWorks + + +> Do you see Apple ever opening up the iPhone? + + +I personally think it'll be difficult for them to ignore the overwhelming +demand, both from developers and from users, for a proper iPhone SDK. I +mean, the fact that hackers have so thoroughly and quickly +reverse-engineered the current closed platform suggests that developers are +extremely motivated to produce third party iPhone apps. And since +installing these apps is now very easy, even for non-technical end users, I +think users are going to get more and more attached to them and annoyed that +Apple doesn't provide proper support for them. + +That said, my personal theory is that Apple has always intended to open it +up eventually, but were planning on taking their time to do so. Even though +the iPhone is based on OS X, it is still essentially a brand new platform, +and I think they probably are waiting until they can devote the time to +really designing the public APIs and infrastructure necessary for full-blown +third party support. I'm sure they had their hands full just getting the +thing out the door, let alone worrying about how people are going to develop +for it. + + + +What does it mean for you as a developer to have a much bigger platform +potential to play with (are you personally interested in application +hacks that leverage to new possibilities in the iPod Touch?) + + +I have been thinking about that literally since the moment the iPhone was +officially announced. As someone who develops a application (PodWorks) that +is tied to the iPod, I can speak to what a large and fanatical market that +device has. But, as much success as I owe to the iPod bandwagon, the +opportunities to develop for it have, till now, been very limited. The idea +of being able to develop applications that actually run on an iPod, and to +be able to leverage my existing Mac programming expertise to do so, is +incredibly enticing. You can bet that, Apple SDK or no, I will be working +on apps for the iPhone in the coming months. + +Also do you think this will give iPhone optimized sites a bigger push? + + +I think so--there is a staggering number of iPods out there, and the iPhone +platform is definitely the future of the iPod. I could even imagine the +ubiquity of the iPod turning the iPhone-optimized site into a sort of +industry standard for mobile browsing. + +It certainly looks like the new iPod Touch is running OS X (though I +don't believe Jobs said one way or the other), Do you think it will make +it easier for outside apps to hack their way in? Does this have any +impact on the development of podWorks? + + +When you have a device running something like OS X, instead of some arcane +embedded software like Pixo-based iPods of yore, the hacking opportunities +open up tremendously. Having access to a UNIX-based system is a lot like +Archimedes' lever: give a geek a terminal and he'll move the world :-). + +It probably won't affect the development of PodWorks so much (most of the +hacking for that takes place on the Mac side of things, not the iPhone/iPod +side), but it definitely opens up the possibilities for lots of interesting +new applications that would never have been possible on traditional iPods. + +Hope that helps!
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