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+But there is some division in the developer community about which development platform is the best route -- the official Apple sanctioned option of web-based apps or the unofficial, but so far stable hacks that enable third party apps to run directly on the device.
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+Joe Hewitt, 
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+Joe Hewitt (iUI)
+
+Hi Scott,
+
+I just got back from Moscone, as Apple was nice enough to invite me to see my Facebook site used in the iPod demo.  As a developer, I'm just over the moon about the price drop and the iPod web browser.  Obviously that means a huge number of new users for mobile touch screen apps, like the Facebook iPhone site (which is now in need of a new name).  I think this move really justifies the investment many of us have made in developing for this new web form factor.
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+I remain fairly indiffeerent about Apple opening up the iPhone/iPod to OS X development.  The web is where it's at, as far as I'm concerned, and I am much more interested in seeing Apple expose new web-based APIs that allow us to exploit the touch screen, camera, accelerometer, and local storage.  This would cause a much more significant revolution, in my opinion, than allowing developers to install native apps written in Objective C or whatever.
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+- Joe 
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+
+Scott - first off, I love wired magazine and am a bit awestruck right
+now, but I'll try and save the adoration for later.  It has been
+something of a fantasy to make it into the magazine, and so by all
+means in the future feel free to contact me.
+
+As for thoughts, the second I saw on the apple-news sites this morning
+that Apple was releasing an iPhone without the phone I got into our
+code and started making the EDGE components optional for the build.
+The hacking community as a whole is thrilled at this development - and
+we're all getting ready to buy one the second it comes out in order to
+get our app working for it.
+
+The real question thought is whether or not Apple will ever open the
+iPhone platform - and as a developer, I would love to see that happen,
+but I don't think it will.  Looking at the internals of the iPhone
+it's pretty clear that Apple never intended for the "hackers" to break
+in and poke around as they have.  We've discovered the lack of GDB
+support in the debugger, found "todo's" occasionally, etc etc.  What
+we've really done is something remarkable - Nightwatch and crew over
+at http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page have created a
+working SDK for a platform that wasn't intended to have one - and
+we've taken that and we've run with it.
+
+This much larger platform excites the hell out of us - we're looking
+at a PDA that's missing critical PDA functionality.  For example - who
+builds a mobile platform without Instant Messaging support?  Well,
+Apple did, and looking immediately at the screenshots available with
+the iPod touch, it looks like it's running the very same OS.  Of
+corse, we'll have to see how long it will take the dev teams to break
+it open, but the code for Apollo and things like Installer.app will
+without a doubt have versions out that same day ready for it.
+
+Personally, I think iPhone optimized sites are a complete waste of
+time.  Safari is a great browser, but by in large, Web 2.0 doesn't yet
+provide the same functionality as a real program written in a real
+programming language.  Nobody wants to use Beejive, but they're forced
+to - and we're happy to be working on support for libPurple in
+ApolloIM so that we can have the exact same versatility as programs
+like Adium and iChat.  The thing with the iPhone-sites that makes them
+so useless is the very existance of this amazing OS they've built and
+the devotion of hackers like ourselves and others to the Unix
+landscape.  They're dumbing down functionality, and well, we're not
+going to stand for it.
+
+My theory is that the current methods for Jailbreak will work on the
+iPod touch.  The bugs exploitable in the iPhone are done so at the
+"Recovery Mode" level - so if Apple is going to release an iPod with
+that recovery mode, we're going to get in.  I'd wager the same day
+it's released it'll be hacked and ready for us to get inside.  While
+Steve Jobs didn't say anything about it using the iPhone's same OS -
+the functionality looks exactly like that of the iPhone and it
+personally wouldn't make any sense to build a new "iTunes Wifi Store"
+for two platforms when they can have one single version working on
+their entire mobile platform.
+
+The development of Apollo shifts drastically - with our latest release
+we got Edge keep alive support working great (so you can basically go
+around all day with an IM app on using your iPhone's wireless
+internet), but now we're looking into better ways to keep Wifi alive
+when the phone enters sleep.  It doesn't change much beyond that point
+- we're gunning for Gtalk, Jabber, MSN, yahoo, et al. and with that
+kind of support yields such bigger options.  Behind the scenes we've
+been eagerly playing with Celestial (the iPhone media framework) and
+see just how feasible sending voice from it over the internet is - and
+the phone is more than powerful to do so.
+
+In the near future, the iPhone is going to have VOIP clients, and that
+will be it's next big revolution. Until then, we're working on the
+little things.  One of the big drawbacks of an undocumented API on a
+closed platform is the fact we're winging it - but that's half the fun
+of getting into a new platform anyhow.
+
+The iPhone represents this new Apple that's a little more cautious
+than it's predecessors - the Newton in particular. We're looking at
+the dawn of a cheap mobile appliance ($300-$400) that breaks the
+borders of what people think is possible to do with data - and
+everyone knows it.  Google's jumping on that bandwagon, and the same
+community breaking into this new iPod and iPhone will be there as
+well- legally or illegally- as the circumstances dictate.  The impact
+these devices make isn't like that of previous endeavors into breaking
+into the earlier iPods or writing neat little toys for your new Razr,
+it's that of improving the quality and expediency of your life.  Look
+at MobileMoney (mobilemoney.googlecode.com) - this is more or less a
+Quicken in the palm of your hand.
+
+We're improving the quality of life and expanding our ability to keep
+information at our fingertips, and well, I've never been more excited
+to write code in my life.  If I could only get hired to do this kind
+of stuff - well - then I'm afraid I'd never look back.
+
+Scott, if there's any more questions about the iPhone hacking
+community or anything about our application at all, my number is
+720-346-4431, and don't hesitate to call.  It's a real honor.
+
+--Alex C. Schaefer
+
+-----------------
+
+PodWorks
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+> Do you see Apple ever opening up the iPhone?
+
+
+I personally think it'll be difficult for them to ignore the overwhelming
+demand, both from developers and from users, for a proper iPhone SDK.  I
+mean, the fact that hackers have so thoroughly and quickly
+reverse-engineered the current closed platform suggests that developers are
+extremely motivated to produce third party iPhone apps.  And since
+installing these apps is now very easy, even for non-technical end users, I
+think users are going to get more and more attached to them and annoyed that
+Apple doesn't provide proper support for them.
+
+That said, my personal theory is that Apple has always intended to open it
+up eventually, but were planning on taking their time to do so.  Even though
+the iPhone is based on OS X, it is still essentially a brand new platform,
+and I think they probably are waiting until they can devote the time to
+really designing the public APIs and infrastructure necessary for full-blown
+third party support.  I'm sure they had their hands full just getting the
+thing out the door, let alone worrying about how people are going to develop
+for it.
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+What does it mean for you as a developer to have a much bigger platform
+potential to play with (are you personally interested in application
+hacks that leverage to new possibilities in the iPod Touch?)
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+I have been thinking about that literally since the moment the iPhone was
+officially announced.  As someone who develops a application (PodWorks) that
+is tied to the iPod, I can speak to what a large and fanatical market that
+device has.  But, as much success as I owe to the iPod bandwagon, the
+opportunities to develop for it have, till now, been very limited.  The idea
+of being able to develop applications that actually run on an iPod, and to
+be able to leverage my existing Mac programming expertise to do so, is
+incredibly enticing.  You can bet that, Apple SDK or no, I will be working
+on apps for the iPhone in the coming months.
+
+Also do you think this will give iPhone optimized sites a bigger push?
+
+
+I think so--there is a staggering number of iPods out there, and the iPhone
+platform is definitely the future of the iPod.  I could even imagine the
+ubiquity of the iPod turning the iPhone-optimized site into a sort of
+industry standard for mobile browsing.
+
+It certainly looks like the new iPod Touch is running OS X (though I
+don't believe Jobs said one way or the other), Do you think it will make
+it easier for outside apps to hack their way in? Does this have any
+impact on the development of podWorks?
+
+
+When you have a device running something like OS X, instead of some arcane
+embedded software like Pixo-based iPods of yore, the hacking opportunities
+open up tremendously.  Having access to a UNIX-based system is a lot like
+Archimedes' lever: give a geek a terminal and he'll move the world :-).
+
+It probably won't affect the development of PodWorks so much (most of the
+hacking for that takes place on the Mac side of things, not the iPhone/iPod
+side), but it definitely opens up the possibilities for lots of interesting
+new applications that would never have been possible on traditional iPods.
+
+Hope that helps!
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