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-Continuing the conversation with Mac developers about the [Core Animation features][2] in the upcoming Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard), here's Cabel Sasser of [Panic Software][4].
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-Sasser is the co-counder of Panic whose software includes the popular FTP client, Transmit as well as the newly-released Coda, which we [reviewed last month][5].
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-Also be sure to check out the other interviews with [Wil Shipley of Delicious Monster][3] and Austin Sarner of MadeBySofa.
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-**Wired News:** First off, do you think developers are going to embrace Core animation (given that doing so would possibly break the backwards compatibility)? I know the TextMate developers have said they plan to drop support for 10.4 in the next version to take advantage of CA (well the text rendering portion anyway) any plans for Panic?
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-**Cabel Sasser:** I've no doubt that developers will embrace Core Animation -- providing a fast, Apple-maintained way to do the kind of animations we now rely on heavily is a brilliant, and well-welcome idea.
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-Ironically, before Core Animation existed, we had created our own set of animation routines, many of which are eerily similar to the work Apple did in Core Animation! Great minds, etc.! So in our case, we'll probably branch to allow our software to be 10.4 compatible -- if you're running 10.5, you'll get the Core Animation version of our transitions, and if you use 10.4, you'll get our custom version. The Core Animation version will probably be much better and smoother.
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-**WN:** Is core animation more than just eye candy? In other words does it provide a way to improve the user experience, whether through better UIs or speed boosts etc?
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-**CS:** There are innumerable little animations that the user probably never even thinks of -- things like preference pane transitions, or simple sliding panels -- that will all be easier, and possibly better, with Core Animation.
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-**WN:** From the demo video available on the Apple site it would seem that the new tools enable an almost windowless environment, is that true? Do you think Apple plans to move away from windows as a metaphor for the workspace? And as an extension of those ideas, with Apple moving into more devices which run largely windowless UIs (i.e. Apple TV, iPhone) is the windowed application a thing of the past?
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-**CS:** These are tough questions to answer. I really don't think that the desktop will ever become "windowless" -- windows present a very familiar and natural way to work and multitask, and to radically change it might just mean desktop suicide. You don't multitask on an Apple TV, and you probably don't do a ton of multitasking on an iPhone, but on a desktop you simply need to be able to do many things at once, and for that, you need windows.
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-That said, I suspect we'll know more very soon. Sorry I don't have too much conjecture here.
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-**WN:** Jobs talked briefly last night at D about the various iPhone UI limitations: no mouse, no pull-down menus and so forth. While those are constraints in the case of the iPhone do you think Apple might be looking to turn them into strengths on the desktop platform?
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-**CS:** I personally doubt it. A hand-held phone is a vastly different user experience than a mouse and a keyboard. I really applaud Apple's tenacity to sit down and say "You know what? This is a phone, and it needs to work differently", instead of trying to shoehorn a desktop UI into a mobile form factor. That's why every phone in the world sucks, and why I couldn't be more excited about the iPhone. I have faith that Apple will give each platform the best possible experience -- tailored to that platform.
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-**WN:** Is there a new UI paradigm on the horizen and if so what do you think it would look like?
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-**CS:** I've joked about having a fixed "sidebar" in future versions of Mac OS X, since virtually every application now has its own little blue landing strip on the left side of the window -- think of the window space you can regain! -- but once I started to actually think about it, I realized that it's an awful idea. ;)
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-[2]: http://www.wired.com/software/coolapps/news/2007/06/core_anim?currentPage=all "Kiss Boring Interfaces Goodbye With Apple's New Animated OS"
-[3]: http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/06/mac_app_designe.html "Mac App Designers On Leopard: Wil Shipley of Delicious Monster"
-[4]: http://www.panic.com/ "Panic Software"
-[5]: http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/04/coda_release_no.html "Coda: An All-In-One Web Developer Tool" \ No newline at end of file