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+Isn't this the guy you're always talking about?
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+Sil glanced up from the engine andd looked at the vidpaper. That's him. 
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+And he's the one that you say thinks we can actually move to a higher dimension?
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+Not exactly, he thinks he can contact and construct the dimension within ours... that's what the collider was supposed to be about I believe.
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+I thought it was about free energy.
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+Well, that's a potential side effect, handy when you're drumming up funds.
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+So do you think it could have worked?
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+No. maybe. Does it matter now?
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+Maybe. I hear rumblings that he's in india, still working on a collider over there, has a working one in fact.
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+No guilt.
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+What? 
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+That's Waiben's gift, he totally incapable of guilt.
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+Waiben and sil did the metaprogramming experiments that eventually led too the protectorate's peculiar form of mind control, Waiben quite to get literal, Sil quit to get metaphorical. he felt guilt, waiben did not.
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+Scene with Sil teaching Dean and the girl how to breath like dolphins (lilly page 104)
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